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Axloth Okiah
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:04:00 -
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You wont change people's nature. Some simply wont fight unless they have overwhelming force because its safer. On the bright side you should be grateful that large organizations arent compatible with the environment of wormholes. While you and many others complain about wh groups allegedly getting always bigger and bluer (I beg to differ and have yet to see any actual proof of that) they keep fragmenting and reforming, swelling and breaking apart.
btw arent you trying to join an alliance...? :P
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Axloth Okiah
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:30:00 -
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This "solution" unfortunately has several issues. For example what you do when you find an easy gank (lets say a drake in C2) but you have 15 guys currently online and ready to go? Will you tell most of them to stay home? Or what if it's a bait and your "fair force" gets slaughtered and podded? In wormholes you can rarely be sure what you're getting into.
Trust me, we run into this problem all the time despite being essentially a single corp without blues. People refuse to engage us even when they have a superior force, simply because they cannot be sure we don't have reinforcements hidden somewhere. Unfortunately it's only the "glorious" fights with T3 blobs that get the attention and by which corporations are judged. No one remembers all the utter failures and welps.
One way around this are the honorable staged fights, which we've been trying out with mixed success. When they work out, they are actually great fun and leave no hard feelings. However some groups will simply refuse these as well.
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Axloth Okiah
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:39:00 -
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Rek Seven and Jack Miton wrote:things I'm afraid the intense love between you two prevents you both from seeing that one is talking about adding new content and the other about changing existing mechanics... those two are neither mutualy exclusive nor dependent.
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Axloth Okiah
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:51:00 -
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Pancake King wrote:That means if we see Noho, Red Coat, SSC and countless others, we POS up. Thats just sad. If you want to pvp, whats stopping you from saying "hey, we cant fight you like that, lets arrange something"?
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Axloth Okiah
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Posted - 2014.01.09 10:07:00 -
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Because 9/10 times if we dont gank those risk-averese, fight-avoiding, pos-spinning carebears right away, we will not get any fight out of them anyway, even if they outnumber and outgun us. Some players are in WHs simply to make isk and minimize risk as much as possible and will not leave their POS even if you charge at them in pods with self-destruct ticking down. The option of doing "5v5 BCs at the sun" is always open and I always offer it to those who allegedly "fight, but not against the blob". Still, majority refuses - hats off and thank you to those who dont.
The problem here is not ganking, but human nature and perception. Simply even when we engage someone "fair", they are not willing to risk that we might have reinforcements hidden somewhere, because their perception is that we always do. The myth of bringing 20 T3s to kill a drake 24/7 is strong. I could link here dozens of lost wormholes fights and it would still not change anything.
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Axloth Okiah
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:00:00 -
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Did we blob you? I check your killboard and I dont see a single instance of being blobbed by the infamous massive T3 fleet from any of the corps you blame for this.
So what should we do to make you happy when we enter a system with someone PvEing? Politely announce our presence in local and ask you to return from the anomaly to your POS before we proceed any further? Is that what you do in order to get 'good fights'?
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